<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well, on one of my workstations I still run a recent version of Windows XP SP2 just to keep in contact with good old Redmond ...<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I'd also make such an installer as been programming a lot applications / plugins using Visual Studio C ++ and generating installers for those things (some of them quite advanced).</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>But I don't get it why we should be doing this. I mean, providing an installer instead or in addition to a OpenWrt image file including WiFiDog wouldn't be anything else but another way of distributing this image file.It would be just an additional work for the developers without much help to the users who would like to install WiFiDog on a router. This installer wouldn't do anything else but to install the image onto a router capable of running OpenWrt. But this installer would be limited to Windows users only.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>If a user downloads a OpenWrt image all he has to do is to start up his browser, enter the routers administration interface and upload the new firmware. What's so complicated about it? What would be the advantage of the installer? I mean: what would be easier for the user?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Also this installer would be a mess, cause the installer actually would have to detect on which type of router the user would like to install the image onto. By providing all the images being generated by the OpenWrt make script the user can choose the right version. But the installer could brick the router when failing to correctly identify the router.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>But as I said: what exactly would be easier for the user when we would offer such an installer?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Cheers, Max!<DIV><DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Am 27.10.2005 um 19:34 schrieb Proulx François:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I have no problem distributing a Windows installer, although none of the programmers in the Wifidog crew have Windows boxes. We are all Mac OS X / Linux. If someone has windows programming knowledge fine. <DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 27-Oct-2005, at 6:14 , Sagar wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"> <DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">Hi All,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">Thanks for your responses but a windows installer would really help easing out install and build process.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">Can someone explain why LINKSYS built a separate windows Installer besides their Web interface which does pretty much good job.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">The answer is very simple they want to take stress away from people who would be actually installing it. It’s an option if u want U can use it.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">I read at wifidog website “Install of WIFI dog is purely technical and limited to system administrator or people who know LINUX/UNIX well”. Now that is good as far as you want to be in side your small domain but if you want to go global u need something as easy as CLCIK CLICK finish which average Windows user is used to for his life and always reluctant to change. There are number of open source projects and I have been investigating lot of them over years, they mainly failing as lack of official support and ease of install/maintain process. What is a use of a system if software itself costs nothing but install & support costs a fortune.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">I have been looking at hotspots for couple of years and I still remember a day when I went to visit XYZ (Can’t name them but they are biggest brand worldwide) technology center here in <ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">UK</ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>. They came up with a grand marketing idea but bit foolish to sell hotspot device(like WRt54G) for 199 pounds and then have installers all over country who will charge extra 500/1000 pounds for each venue. Result…Couple of years later they went bust loosing millions. The reason is very simple , Initial hotspot deployment cost were high and returns were too low. If you look at initial cost it was high because they didn’t engaged end user directly but put technical people (installers) who will charge absolutely any amount. I have spoken to people who have charged in a region of 2000 pounds (3500$) for couple of days work.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">Let’s think what a normal user need? <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">Consider a café or Restaurant owner who doesn’t know much about computers and definitely not LINUX but been using MS word and windows. He wants to put a hotspot in his area for his users or for his community. He can easily afford it these days as broadband with 2 MBPS downstream is sold here for 15 pounds.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">I would be really happy if I can ask him to follow these instructions…..<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">1. Buy WRT54G from tigerdirect.com else buy.com<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">2. Configure your PC/Laptop for DHCP (Everyone knows how to do it)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">3. Power it on and HIT RESET BUTTON to get WRT at it’s default settings (IP 192.168.1.1)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">4. Connect WRT54G LAN port (Any one of them from 1 to 4) to your PC/Laptop’s LAN port using CAT5<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">5. Insert my CD and fire wifidog installer .Now follow instructions online <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">What does an installer need to do?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">An installer should be wrapped with a WiFIdog firmware (BIN FILE) which will flash BIOS with new WIFIDOG firmware. I know using TFTP you can load a BIN FILE so all we need is a built in TFTP client inside installer which will transfer a bin image bit by bit. We can create a FLASH image using JTAG cable and Linux/windows software provided by Sveasoft developer “HairyDairyMade”.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">Hope this makes sense And finally I am not a stupid end user but I am working in software industry for more then 10 Years. I work on Oracle, Sybase, SQL Servers fairly massive systems where average database size is about 200GB for each of our system. I have been playing with Sveasoft, DD-WRT and OPENWRT for number of years.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">Thanks,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">Sagar<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> </O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; 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