[isf-wifidog] [AllianceCSF] postgresql vs mysql, get into the flamebait

wlanmac wlan at mac.com
Mer 27 Mai 01:32:02 EDT 2009

Hi Marc,

I wouldn't turn 'off'... you just may need to find a more receptive
community. There are a few WiFiDog derivative projects out there, why
not another. You have to keep in mind that WiFiDog project isn't
'driven' by development as much as it is a community of hotspot
operators and website administrators. As such, I'm afraid that any
discussion of RADIUS is simply too complicated. However, once there is
such a RADIUS/Dog proxy, and once it is available in firmware and
routers (wrapped up with a GUI for easy use), then perhaps WifiDog
network operators will be interested. They will not care that much about
the 'how' but would be interested in the wider range of
available/compatible hardware/firmware.

So, don't give up! and don't be discouraged! You aren't the first
RADIUS-minded developer turned 'off' on the list.. perhaps there is some
momentum possible for the RADIUS/Proxy concept as a separate project.
Let's discuss. 


On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 16:23 -0400, Marc Blanchet wrote:
> Benoit Grégoire a écrit :
> > On May 26, 2009, Marc Blanchet wrote:
> >> wlanmac a écrit :
> >
> >> this is my view of v2:
> >>
> >> "v1" AP -> wifidog-http -> v2 wifidog portal -> radius backend
> >> "v2" AP -> radius -> radius backend
> > 
> > You just described CoovaChilli. If this is what you want, continuing
> > with wifidog is just plain silly (Coova is really good at what it does,
> > and it's main developer has EXACTLY the same worldview as you do).
> > 
> > It is funny however to see people suggest using RADIUS would make
> > everything simpler to understand and implement. Unless someone spends
> > most of his workdays writing I really find that hilarious.
> > The mere LIST of distinct RFCs specific to RADIUS
> > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RADIUS#RFCs)
> > http://dev.wifidog.org/wiki/doc/developer/WiFiDogProtocol_V1
> > 
> > as "simpler". Especially since "using RADIUS" is just about as precise
> > in the wifidog project as "Using http". I don't think people understand
> > quite well what the RADIUS protocol is, what a RADIUS server is, the
> > characteristics of a RADIUS database, and finally what interoperability
> > between RADImeans just about
> well, I've been implementing and deploying RADIUS (and Tacacs) for more
> than 15 years and for many ISPs. I also implemented client and server on
> a commercial networking product. I wrote some early versions of a RADIUS
> IETF RFC. Therefore, I think I can claim that I know what RADIUS is all
> about.
> I guess I'll just shut off now.
> Marc.
> >
> > Let's go back to the genesis of the wifidog project (End of 2003)
> > 
> > 
> > The gateway: Using the RADIUS protocol for gw-auth server communication
> > was considered, and was
> > 
> > 
> > http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=2364
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Benoit Grégoire

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