[isf-wifidog] greetings from the himalayians..

Sam 17 Jan 12:32:03 EST 2009

> So, I understand it correctly that it all can run in the router? I think
> this is amazing: openwrt is turning a router into a little computer? Wow...
> Interaction would then happen via a browser, ssh or similar - like the user
> could check the usage on a local webpage, generated by the router software?

You are correct in the way that the hotspot works on from the router, but the hotspot has to also connect to a (authentication)server in order to manage the users. Both the hotspot (client) and the server can run on the same box, but I have never come across a router that is powerful enough to run PHP and Postgres.

So really you have 2 options if you are going to use this solution, either run both the server and client on an old PC with 2 network cards and attach a wireless access point to one of the ports, and your existing modem to the other

OR

Run the hotspot on a linux capable router, and find a webhosting company that can run your auth server on.

Robin.

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From: wifidog-bounces at listes.ilesansfil.org [mailto:wifidog-bounces at listes.ilesansfil.org] On Behalf Of BaluNet.de
Sent: 17 January 2009 06:19
To: wifidog at listes.ilesansfil.org
Subject: [isf-wifidog] greetings from the himalayians..

Thank you very much for your kind help!

No, I did not know about this project. Tsopema (Rewalsar) is only about
100km away from Dharamsala, but here in the himalaya this is a very far
distance. On indian roads it takes at least 5 hours to go there, by public
bus, so the average speed is about 20km/h...!

Maybe, it would be difficult for us to connect to this network having all
those mountains in the way ;), but I will try to connect with this team, 
sounds very interesting...

We connect to the internet via BSNL's ADSL phone connection. Well, it is not
as broadband as people are used to in developed countries. The speed is
always going up and down 5KB/s (! yes) to 100KB/s and sometimes the server
is completely down.

The Monastery got a new computer (Vista/Ubuntu) and is connecting via a
dsl-modem (some ZTE modem, this can be replaced by the WRT54GL?).

At the moment a little bookshop with coffee and snacks is being build.
Additionally, we would like to offer wireless internet access (hotspot). It
would be nice if all of the 'hotspot' software could run in the router,
because here we have many power shortages (sometimes power is gone for the
whole day, and at night electronics get burned!), so a stand-alone router
could run just on UPS power for a while.

Because of recent terrorist attacks, who apparently used peoples wifi
networks to plan their actions, indian authorities are a bit nervous, so we
need some kind of access control, apart from the commercial aspects...

So, I understand it correctly that it all can run in the router? I think
this is amazing: openwrt is turning a router into a little computer? Wow...
Interaction would then happen via a browser, ssh or similar - like the user
could check the usage on a local webpage, generated by the router software?

I really got a bit of a headache searching the internet - first I heard
wrt54gl is *it*, then I learn there are now several different versions and 4
MB flash might not be enough, just the minimum... aaarrrgh! I think that all
those embedded proggies are so small the 2 MB free (compressed) space is
enough for our needs?

So, thank you very much, again, I will check those links you suggested...

peace and happiness,
Balu

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:32:55 +0530
From: "BaluNet.de" <pub01 at balunet.de>
Subject: [isf-wifidog] can wifidog and opnewrt run standalone in a
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Hi!

Greetings from the Himalaya in India!

I am living in a monastery in Tsopema and now broadband has reached our
village.
Now, I would like to set up a hotspot to be used by tourists for the
monastery to create a little income for the monks and the orphants. Any help
is very much welcome!

I understand that I need a wifi router like WRT54GL?
There I can install openwrt and wifidog?

Do I need a pc running to check how long customers use the service or can it
all run in the routers OS?

If someone has a bit time to spare to help me giving me tips to find info or
how-tos... many thanx in advance ;)

Balu

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:03:31 -0500
From: "Jeff Schallenberg" <schallenberg.jeff at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [isf-wifidog] can wifidog and opnewrt run standalone in a
router?
To: BaluNet.de <tashi_drolma at yahoo.com>, "WiFiDog Captive Portal"
<wifidog at listes.ilesansfil.org>
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On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:02 AM, BaluNet.de <pub01 at balunet.de> wrote:

> I am living in a monastery in Tsopema and now broadband has reached our
> village.

 Hi, Balu!

I can't help you directly, but I can point you to some resources that surely
can!
By the way, how do you connect to the internet from the Monastery?

And are you aware of the Dharamsala gang, where Yahel and friends have set
up a mesh network?:
http://www.tibtec.org/

> Now, I would like to set up a hotspot to be used by tourists for the
> monastery to create a little income for the monks and the orphans.
>
> I understand that I need a wifi router like WRT54GL? There I can install
> openwrt and wifidog?

Only if you want to install the wifidog gateway on the router along with
OpenWRT. An alternative is to install the gateway software AND the Auth
Server software on an old PC with TWO Network cards, running Linux (e.g.,
Ubuntu).

Chris Rowson reads this mailing list, and he may be able to give you more
details. You should check out his Community Wireless project here:

http://justuber.com/publicwifi:public_wireless_internet_access

> Do I need a pc running to check how long customers use the service or can
> it
> all run in the routers OS?
>

The wifidog  Auth Server does the statistics for you.

>
> I hope this gets you moving, Balu. Good luck!
-- 
- Jeff
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