[isf-wifidog] Re: UI and CSS

Benjamin Crulli lostocean at gmail.com
Ven 28 Oct 08:42:53 EDT 2005


Yeah once we have the xhtml template, stripping the css for handhelds
should not be too hard.

On 10/28/05, Dana Spiegel <dana at nycwireless.net> wrote:
> This is my feeling as well.
>
> There are 2 additional things to keep in mind:
>
> 1) The page needs to work on mobile devices, like a palm or wince device.
> This is much easier with a mobile specific CSS.
> 2) We need to also consider what to do about wVOIP phones. (this isn't a
> page layout thing, its a general WifiDog thing).
>
> We have a few phones that we can use to test out, but I'm not 100% sure what
> the best practice is here.
>
>
> Dana Spiegel
> Executive Director
> NYCwireless
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>
> On Oct 27, 2005, at 11:52 PM, Benoit Grégoire wrote:
>
>
> I read the thing about the tables a few times in the recent emails to
> the list.
>
> PLEASE don't even think about removing ALL tables. Actually we gotta
> use tables where we are displaying things as a table. For example the
> stats. There we list stuff - this MUST stay in a table!!! So please,
> when thinking about designing HTML with CSS don't completely remove
> tables. There are very useful but shouldn't be used to design a page.
>
> I don't think anybody meant to remove tables used for tabular data.
>
> We were talking of the few places where they are used for layout.  I'll be
> really anoyed if anyone else complains again we need to remove tables unless
> they have an actual, general alternative to propose.  "Because it's common
> wisdom" isn't good enough.  I presume all the people arguing about it on
> this
> list have the necessary knowledge to already know why tables can be bad.
> But
> we are looking for better solutions not dogmatic ones.
>
> I personally think that CSS has advanced far enough that it's possible to
> separate 95% of all layout from the HTML in wifidog, and then change it only
> from the CSS. It's going to be a LOT harder than zen garden, but at the end
> of this process, any further changes in the generated HTML should be few and
> far between (no mater if the HTML is in templates or in the code).  Such
> changes should only serve the purpose of making it even easier to change the
> layout from the CSS, except where that turns out to be impossible.
>
>
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