[isf-wifidog] Re: UI and CSS

Benoit Grégoire bock at step.polymtl.ca
Jeu 27 Oct 23:52:13 EDT 2005

> I read the thing about the tables a few times in the recent emails to
> the list.
> PLEASE don't even think about removing ALL tables. Actually we gotta
> use tables where we are displaying things as a table. For example the
> stats. There we list stuff - this MUST stay in a table!!! So please,
> when thinking about designing HTML with CSS don't completely remove
> tables. There are very useful but shouldn't be used to design a page.

I don't think anybody meant to remove tables used for tabular data. 

We were talking of the few places where they are used for layout.  I'll be 
really anoyed if anyone else complains again we need to remove tables unless 
they have an actual, general alternative to propose.  "Because it's common 
wisdom" isn't good enough.  I presume all the people arguing about it on this 
list have the necessary knowledge to already know why tables can be bad.  But 
we are looking for better solutions not dogmatic ones.

I personally think that CSS has advanced far enough that it's possible to 
separate 95% of all layout from the HTML in wifidog, and then change it only 
from the CSS. It's going to be a LOT harder than zen garden, but at the end 
of this process, any further changes in the generated HTML should be few and 
far between (no mater if the HTML is in templates or in the code).  Such 
changes should only serve the purpose of making it even easier to change the 
layout from the CSS, except where that turns out to be impossible.  

Benoit Grégoire, http://benoitg.coeus.ca/
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