[isf-wifidog] Radius Accounting & Windows Firmware Installer (Sagar)

Max Horváth max.horvath at maxspot.de
Jeu 27 Oct 23:02:42 EDT 2005

Well, on one of my workstations I still run a recent version of  
Windows XP SP2 just to keep in contact with good old Redmond ...

I'd also make such an installer as been programming a lot  
applications / plugins using Visual Studio C ++ and generating  
installers for those things (some of them quite advanced).

But I don't get it why we should be doing this. I mean, providing an  
installer instead or in addition to a OpenWrt image file including  
WiFiDog wouldn't be anything else but another way of distributing  
this image file.It would be just an additional work for the  
developers without much help to the users who would like to install  
WiFiDog on a router. This installer wouldn't do anything else but to  
install the image onto a router capable of running OpenWrt. But this  
installer would be limited to Windows users only.

If a user downloads a OpenWrt image all he has to do is to start up  
his browser, enter the routers administration interface and upload  
the new firmware. What's so complicated about it? What would be the  
advantage of the installer? I mean: what would be easier for the user?

Also this installer would be a mess, cause the installer actually  
would have to detect on which type of router the user would like to  
install the image onto. By providing all the images being generated  
by the OpenWrt make script the user can choose the right version. But  
the installer could brick the router when failing to correctly  
identify the router.

But as I said: what exactly would be easier for the user when we  
would offer such an installer?

Cheers, Max!

Am 27.10.2005 um 19:34 schrieb Proulx François:

> I have no problem distributing a Windows installer, although none  
> of the programmers in the Wifidog crew have Windows boxes. We are  
> all Mac OS X / Linux. If someone has windows programming knowledge  
> fine.
> On 27-Oct-2005, at 6:14 , Sagar wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> Thanks for your responses but a windows installer would really  
>> help easing out install and build process.
>> Can someone explain why LINKSYS built a separate windows Installer  
>> besides their Web interface which does pretty much good job.
>> The answer is very simple they want to take stress away from  
>> people who would be actually installing it. It’s an option if u  
>> want U can use it.
>> I read at wifidog website  “Install of WIFI dog is purely  
>> technical and limited to system administrator or people who know  
>> LINUX/UNIX well”. Now that is good as far as you want to be in  
>> side your small domain but if you want to go global u need  
>> something as easy as CLCIK CLICK finish which average Windows user  
>> is used to for his life and always reluctant to change. There are  
>> number of open source projects and I have been investigating lot  
>> of them over years, they mainly failing as lack of official  
>> support and ease of install/maintain process. What is a use of a  
>> system if software itself costs nothing but install & support  
>> costs a fortune.
>> I have been looking at hotspots for couple of years and I still  
>> remember a day when I went to visit XYZ (Can’t name them but they  
>> are biggest brand worldwide) technology center here in UK. They  
>> came up with a grand marketing idea but bit foolish to sell  
>> hotspot device(like WRt54G) for 199 pounds and then have  
>> installers all over country who will charge extra 500/1000 pounds  
>> for each venue. Result…Couple of years later they went bust  
>> loosing millions. The reason is very simple , Initial hotspot  
>> deployment cost were high and returns were too low. If you look at  
>> initial cost it was high because they didn’t engaged end user  
>> directly but put technical people (installers) who will charge  
>> absolutely any amount. I have spoken to people who have charged in  
>> a region of 2000 pounds (3500$) for couple of days work.
>> Let’s think what a normal user need?
>> Consider a café or Restaurant owner who doesn’t know much about  
>> computers and definitely not LINUX but been using MS word and  
>> windows. He wants to put a hotspot in his area for his users or  
>> for his community.  He can easily afford it these days as  
>> broadband with 2 MBPS downstream is sold here for 15 pounds.
>> I would be really happy if I can ask him to follow these  
>> instructions…..
>> 1.         Buy WRT54G from tigerdirect.com else buy.com
>> 2.         Configure your PC/Laptop for DHCP (Everyone knows how  
>> to do it)
>> 3.         Power it on and HIT RESET BUTTON to get WRT at it’s  
>> default settings (IP
>> 4.         Connect WRT54G LAN port (Any one of them from 1 to 4)  
>> to your PC/Laptop’s LAN port using CAT5
>> 5.         Insert my CD and fire wifidog installer .Now follow  
>> instructions online
>> What does an installer need to do?
>> An installer should be wrapped with a WiFIdog firmware (BIN FILE)  
>> which will flash BIOS with new WIFIDOG firmware. I know using TFTP  
>> you can load a BIN FILE so all we need is a built in TFTP client  
>> inside installer which will transfer a bin image bit by bit. We  
>> can create a FLASH image using JTAG cable and Linux/windows  
>> software provided by Sveasoft developer “HairyDairyMade”.
>> Hope this makes sense And finally I am not a stupid end user but I  
>> am working in software industry for more then 10 Years. I work on  
>> Oracle, Sybase, SQL Servers fairly massive systems where average  
>> database size is about 200GB for each of our system. I have been  
>> playing with Sveasoft, DD-WRT and OPENWRT for number of years.
>> Thanks,
>> Sagar
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