[isf-vol] Re: [isf-wifidog] UI + usecase suggestions for Wifidog portal pages

[Philippe April]

If we go with that, we should at least help the user who mistypes.

Ie: utopik vs. lutopik

It could be intelligent, a la google and try to correct typos.

Just an idea.

Philippe April
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On 20-Oct-05, at 1:50 PM, Michael Lenczner wrote:

> one last thing.  sorry.
>
> On 10/20/05, Michael Lenczner <mlenczner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/20/05, Benoit Grégoire <bock at step.polymtl.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On October 20, 2005 12:47 pm, Michael Lenczner wrote:
>>>
>>>> there's no way in hell either of those solutions would work
>>>>
>>>> *.subdomain.ilesansfil.org
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> *.otherdomain.org.
>>>>
>>>> No one would use it or remember it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, that's not necessarily true in the second case,  and it  
>>> would at
>>> least allow some hand holding of the user if he mistypes,  
>>> something we
>>> couldn't do if butting it as *.ilesansfil.org.
>>>
>>
>> Okay - that we could discuss.  If someone can come up with a domain,
>> i'm all ears.
>>
>> actually, maybe isfquartier.org?  but I still think it's not
>> preferred.  already  we are asking people to remember ilesansfil.org.
>> so this would just be another url to remember.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sometimes we have to do things in an ugly way, even if technically
>>>> it's not perfect.  And manually creating a new subdomain each time
>>>> can't be *that* difficult for each new hotspot.  Would it take more
>>>> than 15 min?  Would that be worth it as an organization to have  
>>>> people
>>>> checking out portal pages from home?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually it is that difficult, how exactly do we call the first  
>>> word in the
>>> cafe's domain? It's only clear and unambiguous in a handfull of  
>>> places, where
>>> the name is a single, non-composed word.  What about   Mars  
>>> Vénus,  Parc
>>> Émilie-Gamelin, Resto-Pub 100 Génies,  Vices & Versa, Zeke's  
>>> Gallery, or my
>>> personal favorite Café l'Utopik (people in ISF would probably think
>>> utopik.whatever, but most normal people call it café Utopik ,  
>>> l'Utopik or
>>> Café Ludik).  Even if we made them all consistent and picked a  
>>> convention for
>>> discarding illegal caracters (&, -, accents), spaces and deciding  
>>> what we do
>>> with prepositions, how are users supposed to remember the  
>>> convention?
>>>
>>
>>
> I know that you're a programmer and you like conventions that can
> apply to everything but I just want to make sure I'm getting my point
> across.  I am not worried about the person who wants to know the
> webpage of 5 hotspots that he's never visited.  I'm thinking of the
> techy person that hangs out often at laika or at utopik and wants to
> easy keep up to date on the latest flickr pictures.  or the latest
> mp3's from quartier.
>
> He doesn't need a convention.  He needs something catchy and easy  
> to remember.
>
> but we can discuss more later so I understant the opposition.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> marsvenus.ilesansfil.org
>> parcemiliegamelin.ilesansfil.org
>> restopub100genies.ilesansfil.org
>> viceversa.ilesansfil.org
>> zekes.ilesansfil.org
>> lutopik.ilesansfil.org
>>
>> You forgot to ask how we would do chains?  That was the point you
>> raised last time I suggested this (a year ago).  Ex: if we had two
>> cafeviennes.
>>
>> My proposed solution is that if someoen puts in
>> cafevienne.ilesansfil.org s/he gets sent to a blank page which says
>> only "do you want the cafe vienne on sherbrook and parc?   or the one
>> on st.laurent and pine?  each with hyperlinks.  depending on which  
>> one
>> the user clicked it would send them to cafevienne1.ilesansfil.org or
>> cafevienne2.ilesansfil.org  So they would learn which url to go to
>> next time.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I think using a list or a map, plus creating a single url that  
>>> will always
>>> redirect to the local portal when you are actually there (and to  
>>> the list
>>> when you are not) is much more user friendly for our users, and  
>>> regulars can
>>> always bookmark the result.
>>>
>>
>> I think the single url is a great idea for people that are there.   
>> But
>> I am much more concerned with getting users to use ISF from home.
>> Ergo the emphasis on rss feeds.  (I know, i know, no one uses rss
>> feeds.  but it is an important step in the right direction).
>>
>> A list?  of 60 hotspots?  You want someone to scan a list of 60
>> hotspots to find the portal page?  And then instead of giving them a
>> url that they can eventually and fairly easily remember you want them
>> to bookmark it?
>>
>> And have you seen the map recently?  It's cool and all, but even I
>> have a hard time finding the hotspot that I want.  It's *very*
>> crowded.
>>
>> I think discussing this in person and as a group would be good.
>>
>> But most importantly, this is a tangible step that we can take *right
>> now* with a few of our hotspots to get the quartier project started.
>> That's what I'm focused on.  Achieving momentum on this project that
>> we've been talking about doing for 2 years.
>>
>> mike
>>
>>> --
>>> Benoit Grégoire, http://benoitg.coeus.ca/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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